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How Did Prophet Muhammad Treat Christians?

Now "google" Talmud and see what Zionist Jews say about Jesus, His mother Mary, and Christians. Jesus identified the Synagogue of Satan. It isn't the Muslims.

It's clearly a "synagogue" that is referred to in that scripture as being satanic.

There is no question many moderate muslims will claim Islam is ordered to treat Christians good but this is not faithful to orthodox Quranic teaching. In chapter 9 Muhammad gives his final marching orders to muslims and speifically talks about how to handle Christians and Jews around the world: "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled." (Q. 9:29) Therefore, Muslims are ordered to make war with Christians until they submit to Muslims by paying a humiliating tax called the jizia tax thereby subjecting us to humiliation. This was written when Muhammad was powerful and not scared to say how he truly felt. Do not be deceived by Muslim proganda or people who will quote Muhammad when he was weak earlier in Quran.

Note how this verse has been taken completely out of context and how no honest effort has been made to ascertain exactly who it refers to or what its true meaning is. This "historical researcher" and documentary maker merely assumes that it instructs Muslims to make war on all Christians, which is patently absurd in light of the long-standing Islamic tradition of tolerance and friendship towards Christians. What this verse really means (and this is so obvious) is that Muslims should make war only on a specific group of people: those who are persecuting or oppressing Muslims in some way, even if those oppressors are Jewish or Christian. Qur'an 9:29 Commentary

And the synagog of satan was in reference to a specific group of Jews in the 1st century who were persecuting Christians in the church at Philadelphia in Revelation 3. It is talking about Jews who are not real Jews i.e., not of God because they kill and persecute instead of following God and his new message in Christ.

Note the blatant hypocrisy here: In the comment immediately above regarding the Synagogue of Satan, this very capable "historical researcher" and documentary film maker discovers through his painstaking research that the Synagogue of Satan is actually in reference to, and I quote: "a specific group of Jews in the 1st century who were persecuting Christians" and that it doesn't refer to all Jews. Yet he's apparently unwilling to do the necessary research to establish the fact that the verse in the Koran that he falsely misrepresents as Muslims being instructed to make war on all Christians is referring also to a specific group of Christians and a specific group of Jews who were persecuting Muslims. Thus what he's falsely claiming (that Muslims are instructed to make war on all Christians and Jews) is not only false, it's hypocritical also. He'll only research what's required to support his own point of view.

And these Jews that are not the real Jews are the very ones that are being used to bring into power the Anti-Christ government. These are the ones who are behind 9-11.

sounds like planted disinfo the nwo wants us to reapeat so we discredit ourselves as antisemites and so no one will listen to us. The NWO is comprised of people from every nation, and background united by occult, new age, esoteric secret societies and mystery religions. Its not the jews.

His absurd and slanderous claim in his previous comment regarding Islam sounds to me like the "planted disinfo." One thing I've learned over the years is that the disinfo artists themselves are the ones who shout "DISINFO!" the loudest. And nothing is ever the fault of Jews, according to cowards who are afraid to confront them. Sounds like he's scared that someone might call him an "evil antisemite" or something. But Jesus faced far worse persecution and wasn't the least bit intimidated or afraid to stand up to the Jewish establishment.

Keith, let me ask you this question. You refer to what has been posted here as "Muslim propaganda." Why should I believe that what you've posted here in your comment isn't anti-Muslim propaganda taken out of context? How much do you really know about Islam and about the Koran? I'll wager that the person who created this website (ascertainthetruth.com) knows a whole lot more about Islam and about the Koran than you do.

Michael, the answer to your question is that you can read 9:29 of the Quran yourself as well as the Muslim Tafsir's (commentaries) here: www.altafsir.com and see them admit what I am saying. Yes I know about islam and the quran I write for www.answering-islam.org the most comprehensive scholarly refutation of Islamic theology and apologetics online. Ascertainthetruth.com is a good example of deception by omission - they are not giving you the full story but instead knowingly omitting important data to make Islam look good when in all actually it is not. Please read the thousands of articles at www.answering-islam.org God bless

After reading this verse in the Koran myself and the commentary that has been written about it (Qur'an 9:29 Commentary), I don't believe he knows (or cares to know) a thing about Islam or the Koran, but is only repeating anti-Islamic propaganda, the very same propaganda that we're hearing non-stop from mainstream media sources such as Fox News. If he's saying essentially the same thing about Islam that Fox News is saying, why should I or anyone else believe him? This anti-Islamic hysteria that we're hearing, whether from him or from the mainstream media, is being used to further the bogus "war on terror" agenda and to make us more likely to support a war with Iran. This is being used for an EVIL purpose. I'm not the least bit impressed with his "scholarly" or "Christian" credentials or the "thousands" of articles that he boastfully refers to.

I am well aware of the hierarchy of those who have been working to bring the NWO....and part of The Plan is to pull the antisemite card.

Just you wait, Carolyn! You're about to see Keith himself pull the "antisemite card" right here in this very discussion after just a few more paragraphs!

well remember Carolyn, the Bible says the anti-christ and NWO are going to attack Israel and the jews like hitler did with the gentile nations and right now this jew blamming will feed into that.

Are you a supporter of Israel, Keith? Do you believe that God will bless you for blessing Israel? 

I find it strange how Christians can be so easily mislead to dislike Gods chosen people the Jews of whom God saves 144,000 thousand and returns on the mount of olives to defend them the and will instead defend the Muslims who hate both the Christians and Jews and are ordered to make war with us and humiliate us in subjection. How warped.

Here's where Keith starts to reveal his true colors as a bona fide Christian Zionist. He doesn't offer a direct response to the question of whether or not he's a supporter of Israel, but it's clear from his answer that he indeed is and that he also believes the Israelis are "God's chosen people." Notice how he's only speaking of me "disliking" them here. Later he will make the grand transition to baselessly accusing me of actually "hating" them. Also, he repeats the big lie that Muslims are ordered to make war with Jews and Christians, and also that they "hate" them, another big lie. "Warped" is right, but it is Keith who is warped.

Keith Thompson:

Muhammad was an anti-christ false prophet who denied Jesus' death for our sins. Michael I see you are not a Christian but are obviously trying to influence Carolyn who is a faithful Christian who loves the Bible. Well Michael her Bible says... the Jews would be scattered and then brought back to their land as an old testament prophecy. This was fulfilled when the Jews got Israel so yes I support God's prophecy about Israeli restoration and so should Carolyn. This doesn't mean you support corrupt government though - there s a difference - but even God will use evil for good like Judas. You aren't even Christian so please do not lead her away from her scriptures.

The Prophet Muhammad may be a "false prophet" in Keith's opinion, but to call him "antichrist" is a blatant false statement, a misstatement of fact. The Prophet revered and honored Christ, even though he may not have believed in Christ in exactly the same way that Keith supposedly believes in him. John Hagee is a false prophet in my opinion, and my opinion is just as valid as Keith's. Also, in Keith's opinion, I'm not a Christian, but luckily for me, it won't be Keith who will be sitting on the throne of God on the Day of Judgement and doing the judging. It will be God Himself, and whether of not I'm worthy of God's Kingdom will be for God to decide, and certainly not Keith. With all the filthy, abominable lies this false teacher is spewing, perhaps it is I who should be worried about HIM trying to "influence" Carolyn in the wrong way and lead her astray, but I know that she's smart enough not to be swayed by lies. 

He clearly supports the idea of "Israeli restoration," and according to him, Carolyn should also. He doesn't waste any time in trying to "influence" her in that regard and in leading her astray. Let's reflect for a moment on just what he suggests that she be supporting and what this "Israeli restoration" actually is. What Keith has euphemistically termed "Israeli restoration" is stealing land from another group of people (the Palestinians, who have lived on that land for hundreds of years), oppressing them, imprisoning them, murdering them, torturing them, committing all manner of atrocities against them, committing genocide against them, and treating them like lowly, inferior animals. That's what this Zionist really supports when he says he supports "Israeli restoration," the theft of land from the Palestinian people and all those other evils I just mentioned. The Jews "got" Israel? No, "God's chosen people," the Jews, didn't just "get" Israel; they stole Israel from the Palestinians. This is what this self-proclaimed "follower of Christ" turns a blind and uncaring eye to when he supports this beast known as the state of Israel. 

There is a difference between those Jews who were circumcised of heart and those who were not. Example: the Pharisees that Jesus said were of Satan, not Abraham.

Pharisees were hypocritical leaders who made Gods word of no effect with their tradition but Jesus had a very special place for the common Jew just like we should. Paul said if he could give up his own salvation so that the Jews may be saved he would. We need not persecute the lost Jew but minister to them.

I'm not against Jews any more than I am against Christians.

Thus you testify against yourself, Keith, and reveal yourself to be a total charlatan. All your supposed biblical "knowledge" doesn't impress me in the least. It is understanding that we all should strive for and that you obviously lack entirely. I don't have to say anything more to discredit you. You've done an excellent job of discrediting yourself. So go bless Israel all you want, and we'll just see if God truly blesses you.

So modern-day Jews and the Jews behind the state of Israel are "God's chosen people" in your warped view? Then God doesn't set very high standards for His "chosen," then does He, Keith? (Maybe if I capitalize "He" and "His," it might convince you that I am indeed a Christian. LOL)

Just take a moment to open your blind, deluded eyes to all the criminality and wrongdoing perpetrated by this state of "Israel," which is made up, according to you, of "God's chosen people." Whatever covenant God may have once had with these people has long since been broken, by their own wrongdoing and disobedience.

The Jews ceased to be "God's chosen people" when they rejected Christ and had him crucified. Now how difficult is that to understand, Keith? It's so clear and simple that even a child can understand it, but apparently you find the concept too difficult. How can modern-day Jews be "God's chosen people" when a primary tenet of their Jewish religion is rejection of Christ? And not just plain rejection, but full-blown hatred, as has been clearly expressed in the Jewish Talmud.

Show me a verse anywhere in the Koran that expresses any sort of hatred for Jesus whatsoever. I defy you to do so.

You strike me as an insufferable hypocrite, Keith. You boast about being associated with the website called "answering Islam," but where in all your voluminous writings have you ever answered the flat-out hatred directed against Jesus expressed in the Talmud? 

Oh, and by the way, Keith. Carolyn doesn't need anyone to "lead" [or "influence"] her. She's perfectly capable of thinking for herself and coming to her own conclusions. And as for me not being a Christian in your opinion, if you're an accurate representation of what it is to be a "Christian," then I don't want to be one. But I don't believe that you truly are.

Merely claiming I discredit myself is not an argument. You just hate Jews and were deceived to defend islam. Talmud is bad yes but the quran is worse and the difference is God returns to raise up 144,000 Jews and defend Israel in the last days on the mount of olives as was predicted in the OT - if they ceased to be his people like you claim then God would not do so. Here is my question for you: Where does the NT explicitly say that the jews as a whole (not pharisees) ceased to be Gods people and how do you address him saving 144,000 as well as defending Israel upon his reutn against the gentile nations on the mount of olives? That is the Biblical answer to your illogic and hatred for Gods chosen people whom Paul said he would give his salvation up for if only they could be saved as a whole. You are not a Christian because you don't even believe the Bible so there is no point in speaking with you anyway. Its not my fault you are wrong.

On your page under religion you say: "Believe nothing unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." If you are Christian why not say " I believe in Jesus Christ instead of this subjective believing what your heart tells you stuff? The Bible says mans heart is deceitful and wicked. Trust Christ, run to Christ, submit to Christ. I do not dislike you Michael but you are promoting deception and error. 

He'd be much better off if he'd learn to listen to his own reason and to his own common sense (if he has any, that is) rather that relying on someone else's faulty interpretation of ambiguous and obscure scriptures. How did he come up with the unreasonable and senseless notion that he, as a "Christian," should support the wicked state of Israel? Most likely because of his misuse of scripture and by following the doctrines of blatant false prophets. It certainly wasn't through reason and common sense that he came to such a fallacious conclusion, of supporting the wicked state of Israel, because reason and common sense (which are God-given qualities and closely akin to God's Holy Spirit) would have him do otherwise. Would Christ have supported it? Would Christ support Israel? He didn't support the Pharisees, did he? 

Michael, the Talmud is used as a record of Rabbinic opinions. In Judaism, there is no fixed theology. Behavior is tightly controlled while meaning is open. Therefore, your strawman is ahistorical.

This silly comment from this silly boy named Eric, makes no sense at all. Ahistorical? Give me a break! This boy spends way too much time debating on message boards and Internet forums. His use of the term "strawman" is a dead giveaway. How does what he has said here in any way invalidate what I said earlier regarding the overt hatred expressed toward Jesus in the Jewish Talmud? And the abject hypocrisy of these two highly esteemed "researchers" in not speaking out against the Talmud while focusing entirely on the "evils" of Islam? This comment does nothing to invalidate my criticism, and my criticism stands. So the Talmud is a record of Rabbinic opinions. We know that already. Why is it necessary to restate the obvious? Perhaps because there's no real way to refute my argument, and the poor kid is desperately clinging to straws. Perhaps that's the reason he's apparently blocked me: He's scared to death of being proven wrong.

Keith, I'll not answer any of your questions until you provide an acceptable answer to mine. Show me a verse in the Koran that expresses any sort of hatred whatsoever toward Jesus.

Michael, what is your definition of hatred? Would it be false claims about Jesus?

Well, what's claimed in the Talmud concerning Jesus (that he's boiling in hot excrement as his punishment in hell) would definitely qualify as hatred toward Jesus. The best that this boy can come up with in regard to finding anything in the Koran expressing any sort of hatred toward Jesus is that it makes supposed "false claims" about him (i.e. it doesn't conform exactly to what Eric believes).

If Muslims loved Jesus, they would be using false Gnostic forgeries:

And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust the form of a bird, then ...I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah's permission, and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah's permission; and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses. Surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers. Qur'an 3:49

When Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to thee and to thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit; thou spokest to people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught thee the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel, and when thou didst determine out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then thou didst breathe into it and it became a bird by My permission; and thou didst heal the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the Children of Israel from thee when thou camest to them with clear arguments -- but those of them who disbelieved said: This is nothing but clear enchantment. Qur'an 5:110 

These verses from the Koran that he's cited here make my point for me. Muslims do indeed love Jesus. These are the kinds of beautiful and poetic words that should bring reverent tears to the eyes of believers, IF they're indeed righteous and do love Christ. They do bring tears to mine. 

Now the Original Material
 
I, Thomas, an Israelite, judged it necessary to make known to our brethren among the Gentiles, the actions and miracles of Christ in his childhood, which our Lord and God Jesus Christ wrought after his birth in Bethlehem in our country, at which I myself was astonished; the beginning of which was as follows. 2. When the child Jesus was five years of age and there had been a shower of rain that was now over, Jesus was playing with other Hebrew boys by a running stream, and the waters ran over the banks and stood in little lakes; 3. But the water instantly became clear and useful again; they readily obeyed him after he touched them only by his word. 4. Then he took from the bank of the stream some soft clay and formed out of it twelve sparrows; and there were other boys playing with him. 5. But a certain Jew seeing the things which he was doing, namely, his forming clay into the figures of sparrows on the Sabbath day, went presently away and told his father Joseph, 6. Behold, your boy is playing by the river side, and has taken clay and formed it into twelve sparrows, and profanes the Sabbath. 7. Then Joseph came to the place where he was, and when he saw him, called to him, and said, Why do you that which is not lawful to do on the Sabbath day? 8. Then Jesus clapping together the palms of his hands, called to the sparrows, and said to them: Go, fly away; and while you live remember me. 9. So the sparrows fled away, making a noise. 10. The Jews seeing this, were astonished and went away and told their chief persons what a strange miracle they had seen wrought by Jesus. The Second Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ: Chapter 1
 
And when the Lord Jesus was seven years of age, he was on a certain day with other boys his companions about the same age. 2. Who at play made clay into several shapes, namely, asses, oxen, birds, and other figures. 3. Each boasting of his work and endeavoring to exceed the rest. 4. Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys, I will command these figures which I have made to walk. 5. And immediately they moved, and when he commanded them to return, they returned. 6. He had also made the figures of birds and sparrows, which, when he commanded to fly, did fly, and when he commanded to stand still, did stand still; and if he gave them meat and drink, they did eat and drink. 7. When at length the boys went away and related these things to their parents, their fathers said to them, Take heed, children, for the future, of his company, for he is a sorcerer; shun and avoid him, and from now on never play with him. The First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ: Chapter 15

I suppose Eric must be trying to prove that these verses are "false." But what it all boils down to is simply that these "false" verses are "false" in the opinion of Eric. I guess that makes the verses he cites from the Koran, which appear to be similar to these apocryphal ones, "false" verses also, but only "false" in HIS opinion. Sorry, Eric, I think for myself. I will not allow YOU to do my thinking for me. I will allow only God and God's Holy Spirit to lead me, not you. If I made the foolish mistake of following one the blind leaders of the blind, such as yourself, I would indeed fall into the ditch.

Michael, your subjective nonsense shows that you don't know about Islam. AKA don't make claims about what you clearly don't know.

Michael, the koran demotes Jesus from his exalted status as right hand of the Father (deity) and claims he is only a prophet. It denies his heroic death on the cross for our sins and thus is very hateful since Jesus said he came to lay down his life for his sheep. It also commands the killing of Jesus' people (Christians) in 9:29 of the Koran.

They hate Jesus.

Having a different opinion about Jesus is not the same as overtly hating him. They do NOT hate Jesus. And Eric, you are a liar for saying that.

Denial of the very essence of the truth of the gospel and who Jesus is would only be considered a mere difference of opinion by someone who knows not Christ and defends a wicked false religion that calls for the death of Christians in 9:29. Shame on you I am done here.

Islam "calls for the death of Christians" in verse 9:29? So it's "death" this time that Islam is calling for, and not just waging war on them? It's just another variation on the same old lie. He compounds his sin of lying by repeating it over and over.

Plus no one ever claimed Islam hates Jesus so that is a straw man. But they do hate him for not following his commands. Jesus said those who love him follow him (gospel, etc). So they do not love him.

I am done with you too, Keith, and indeed you may very well be done here. Those who love him follow him? Then why aren't "God's chosen people" loving him and following him?

Michael, Ibn Kathir even says to Hate and Kill the followers of Jesus Christ. Secondly, my argument is based on their documentation which means you strawmanned my position. Thus you logically lost the argument based on evidence. Keith and I are history researchers and know the philosophical criteria of history. In the end Michael you have been exposed as logically fallacious and deserve the scorn. Michael, read the Bible for once instead of reading fallacious material.

Gods chosen people do not love Jesus but he loves them as I have already shown so I will defend them. But you defend a religon that says to kill us, demotes Jesus, does not follow his commands, and is not loved by God as a chosen people like the Jews are.

You're both "scribes and Pharisees" in my opinion.

Well you're a jew hating antichistian muslim defender who does not know the truth of God in my opinion. Its ironic, Islam in the hadith material teaches that the end will not come unless the muslims kill all the Jews. No wonder you defend Islam. No more words do you deserve.

Keith and Eric, I know that you two know who it is that owns the media, who it is that brought us 911...and what their agenda is. I cannot support their deceptive agenda of a piece of land named Israel. Remember the globalists are Luciferians, and Christians support them to see the book of Revelation be fulfilled. I think Jesus will say he never knew many of these Christians.

Carolyn, sadly you have been badly mislead to believe Jews run the media, did 9/11 and run the NWO but there is no evidence for that and to blame the jewish race as a whole like your friend tries to do is hitlerian and evil - that leads to genocide. Those people will Christ say "I never knew you." Very weird people. You claim to believe the Bible so where does the Bible say Jews will run the final beast NWO system?

I am reminded of a well respected Christian pastor who said that he believed that America will never fall because of America's support of Israel. He gave thanks to people like the Rockefellers. The pastor also called Jesus's Kingdom to come as the New World Order.

Once again there is a difference between following Gods commands and prophecy of jews getting Israel back and supporting corrupt government who heads up israel and blaming all Jewish people for something they are not responsible for. You are very lost.

You've shown your true colors here, Keith. Again, it wasn't necessary for me to say anything. You've said it all yourself. You're a confirmed Muslim hater if ever I've seen one. So how is that any different from or any better than what you've falsely accused me of being? What an insufferable hypocrite you are! You make me sick!

The only one who has shown their true colours is you. You need to educate yourself about what Islam teaches and not rely on some biased pro-islamic website that will not give you all the material and you need to read the Bible to find out God loves his jewish people and granted them their land. NOW, I do not hate Muslims but I dislike quranic theology. Please do not misrepresent my beliefs. You are a deceiver. Shame on you.

No, you misunderstood me, Keith. I could never have such a narrow view of the operation as to believe that it is the Jews.

That is where what you are saying leads to Carolyn. I have seen it happen. Please stay in contact with me so we can try to clear some things up in the future. For now I need to go - God bless YOU, and bye Michael.

There you go again, Keith. Your hypocrisy is showing. You accuse me of misrepresenting your beliefs by calling you a Muslim hater, yet you blatantly misrepresent mine by stating that I'm a Jew hater and that I blame "ALL Jewish people." I never said that. But I do blame the Jewish establishment, the Jewish elite, and the Jewish state of Israel, which you seem to be defending. If it can be said that I'm a Jew hater, then it can also be said that you're a Muslim hater.

Michael, you are blatantly blaming all Jewish people. Actions speak louder than words Michael. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them." You didn't qualify one thing you said. I did! Especially with Ibn Kathir. AKA You failed again.

You hate Israel, I do not hate Arabia, Iran, Iraq or Muslim people. You blame the NWO and establishment on jewish people because you hate them. The NWO is full of all kinds of people, blaming it on Jews is just a way to get your jew hatred out. I say I do not like the quran. I never once said I don't like Muslim people - I don't like the religion's teachings. So no there is no similarity between you and me.

Keith, the Bible also speaks against hatred which debunks Michael altogether. Enough said.

Eric, you are blatantly putting words in my mouth. What's wrong with criticizing Jewish wrongdoing, and how does that magically morph into "blaming all Jewish people"? Only in your warped imagination! What's wrong with criticizing any sort of wrongdoing and doing so truthfully? Jesus himself did it when he criticized the Pharisees.

Jesus did indeed say "by their fruits you shall know them," and such can be said about the state of Israel. What are those "fruits," Eric? The brutal and unjustified attack on the innocent people of Gaza maybe? Or perhaps the attack on the USS Liberty? What do those "fruits" tell you about the "tree"?

 

I can tell you one thing for certain. Verily, verily I say unto you: The modern-day state of Israel is not made up of "God's chosen people."

 

Furthermore, the whole idea of "God's chosen" is racist and supremacist in character. No race or people is "chosen" above any other. If you understood anything about the teachings of Jesus, you would know this. He came to do away with all that.

Eric, you are a liar and a slanderer for stating that my views are based on "hatred." And Keith, you said it all when you said "there is no similarity between you and me." I don't want to be "unequally yoked" with a person such as you. And that goes for you as well, Eric. I want nothing further to do with either one of you.